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www.behr.nl/Beurs/H/goud.html

Ik moet zeggen: Dat goud trekt toch meer aan dan ik gedacht had....

Maar toch even bij Behr gekeken:
Vandaag gaat goud eindelijk dwars door de EURO HIGH van dit jaar, nml van 27 februari 2007.

16.636 euro voor zo'n plakje van 1 kg.

Het is inderdaad nog nooit zo hoog geweest. De vorige top was op 27 februari.

En nu eens zien wat het vervolg wordt. Let ook eens op de EURO _ topprijs van precies 18 maanden geleden: Toen kostte zo'n plakje 17.550 EURO's. TA zien hier wellicht, misschien "een weerstand". Zei de leek.

Peter
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Hier zullen de marxisten/synergisten en liefhebbers van ongebreidelde centraal ingrijpen niet vrolijk van worden zullen de laatste restantjes vrije markt/kapitalisme als een phoenix uit de NWO/NGO's mess nog in staat zijn op te rijzen?

MONEY for NOTHING...GOUD voorlopig nog redelijk for FREE!

From The Times September 19, 2007

Chief strategist at CLSA predicts record gold run
Leo Lewis in Hong Kong

It would be the biggest run on gold since the attempted French invasion of Britain of 1797 that sent prices through the roof.

The precious metal, long a safe haven for investors, yesterday was predicted by a leading analyst to quadruple within three years as buyers seek shelter from prolonged turmoil in mainstream financial markets.

According to Christopher Wood, chief strategist at the broker CLSA, market ructions and a collapse of the dollar could send gold prices to more than $3,400 an ounce within the next three years. Gold futures last night hit a 28-year high at $733 an ounce, but are more than $100 short of the record. Mr Wood said that the sub-prime conflagration would be the catalyst for a wider breakdown in markets.

However, Wood predicted that investors would soon realise that the sub-prime crisis is simply the catalyst of a much wider breakdown, arguing that it has been the “Archduke Ferdinand assassination event” that sparks a bigger calamity.

“This is not a sub-prime crisis. Sub-prime has merely exposed the bigger scam of structured finance; a scam that is about pretending that bad credit is good credit,” he said.
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ffff schreef:

www.behr.nl/Beurs/H/goud.html

Ik moet zeggen: Dat goud trekt toch meer aan dan ik gedacht had....
Je kunt ook via een tracker in goud beleggen:

www.lyxorgbs.it/sites/?country=nl
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Peter,

ter diversificatie van de porto : kijk eens naar de Quanto certificaten Goud van AAB. Daarin wordt het valutarisico dagelijks afgedekt. Ik zit er met een fors deel in en sta ook op dito winst.

Gung Ho,

ben jij de jas van Potuyt ? Goede gedegen analyse, doorspekt met hoogstaand neerlandicus doctorandus termen waarvan de goegemeente de betekenis via Wikepedia-google achtig gesurf moet zien te achterhalen ? ;)
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Should the U.S. Sell Gold Reserves to Save the Economy? By Jon A. Nones 16 Oct 2007 at 11:13 PM

St. LOUIS (ResourceInvestor.com) -- The U.S. dollar has spent much of the past 6 months hitting record lows against most of the world’s leading currencies. Our beloved greenback has fallen 20% against the Canadian dollar since March, 15% against the Australian dollar since August and 7% against the euro in the past 7 weeks.

Tighter global credit conditions following the plummeting U.S. housing market have hampered the U.S. dollar. But it is not hard to see why the twin deficits, the current account and fiscal deficits, could push the U.S. dollar lower still. The U.S. current account deficit reached $850-$875 billion in 2006 while the fiscal deficit hit $395 billion.

So with gold hitting 28-year highs, why not sell some of those fabled U.S. gold reserves to offset the twin deficits or pump some life into commerce to help bolster the ailing economy?

In the interest of time, let us first bypass the possibility that the reserves are no longer there (as largely believed by the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee) and assume Fort Knox is stocked, even though the government seems cheerfully ignorant of the holdings. That aside, here is a breakdown of what the return would be in the market.

Gold has risen by well over $100 since mid-August, mostly on dollar weakness and safe-haven buying sparked by turmoil in the mortgage lending market. Spot gold was last trading at $756.80 per ounce, hitting a high of $767.05 this morning - its highest point since January 1980.

The United States has huge gold reserves, which were built up to honour the gold standard that was in place until 1973. It has more than any bank in the world and more than twice as much as the second largest holder. According to the World Gold Council, the government of the United States of America holds gold reserves in the amount of 8,133.5 tonnes (262 million ounces).

At current gold prices, this comes to almost $200 billion dollars worth of gold. The U.S. last valued the gold at $42.22 per ounce, so that’s a 1700% return of unrealized gains. But let us delve a bit deeper before we make any conclusions.

Central banks around the world have sold gold to lower their percentage of holdings as they stand up against euros and, to a lesser extent these days, U.S. dollars. Even the International Monetary Fund, with about 3,200 tonnes of reserves in banks around the world, has alluded to the possibility of selling 400 tonnes.

European signatories have about 12,600 tonnes and can sell up to 500 tonnes of gold per the Central Bank Gold Agreement of 27 September 2004. According to the Bank of International Settlements, central banks sold 475.75 tonnes in the third year of the agreement ending 26 September 2007, following 395.8 tonnes in the second agreement year.

Spain was the largest seller of gold last year at about 165 tonnes, representing more than 30% of the 475 tonnes of total gold sales. The Swiss reported sales of 113 tonnes between 15 June and 26 September 2007 and intend to lower their gold holdings to 1,000 tonnes by 2009. France sold 99 tonnes in the last agreement year, while the European Central Bank announced sales of 60 tonnes.

Germany is the world’s second largest gold holder with about 3,400 tonnes, France is third at about 2,750 tonnes, Italy is the fourth largest with some 2,450 tonnes and Switzerland is fifth at about 1,200 tonnes. Italy has 66% gold in percentage terms of total reserves, Germany 63%, France 56% and Switzerland 42%.

The U.S. has 76% of its total reserves in gold. In comparison, Portugal and Greece are the only major central banks that beat the U.S. with 80%. However, Portugal has less than 400 tonnes, while Greece has less than 100 tonnes.

If these banks were to reduce their reserves to 30%, Germany would have to sell 1,802 tonnes; Italy 1,341; France 1,273; Switzerland 394; Portugal 235 and Greece 50. The U.S. would have to sell 3,741 tonnes worth $91.4 billion.

Neither Italy nor Germany has sold gold in any of the agreement years. Germany recently said it plans no substantial gold sales in 2008 and Italy has made no indication it plans to sell any gold, aside from some political posturing. So if the U.S. wants to remain top dog, it would have to retain most of its reserves.

Therefore, based on a revaluation as compared to other major central banks, if the U.S. were to reduce gold holdings to say 65% of total resources, perhaps by only 1,400 tonnes, this would still come to about $34 billion. Now the question becomes, where would the new money go?

If the money is used to pay down some debt, which should be on everyone’s mind at this point, it would really only scratch the surface of the twin deficits. Not to mention a war that has cost $750 billion thus far. The priority should be a better fiscal policy and not a quick fix. So like a rare coin, in this case the reserves may be worth more as store of wealth.

Alternatively, the U.S. government could use the proceeds to benefit commerce, perhaps by rebuilding infrastructure and the like. This would seem the most logical use for the proceeds, since money injected into the economy will come back in the form of taxes. And as we all are aware, infrastructure upkeep is increasingly becoming a problem; note the levy in New Orleans or the bridge in Minnesota.

The drawback, however, would be the ‘creditworthiness’ that is lost. The U.S. economy functions on debt financed from abroad. If the government were to sell its gold reserves, the U.S. may lose the ability to function properly as an economy. Perhaps a middle ground might be the best option here, with partial sales.

Even still, any sales of gold into the market would have to be done with extreme caution not to upset the market with either the decision or the actual process. Similar to the European gold sales agreement, the U.S. would have to limit its sales per year.

Gold bugs may cry foul at this notion, but it stands to reason that if the U.S. has been the global purchasing engine, buying up those cheap Chinese goods, for example, then a recession would affect all commodities including precious metals. Therefore, it is not a matter of protecting the engine versus the asset, but protecting the engine to protect the asset.

If it takes selling some of the U.S. gold reserves to stave off a potential recession or worse, then so be it. But until the government realizes that the gold in the basement is worth 20 times as much as first valued, there it will remain.
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Gung Ho schreef:

Should the U.S. Sell Gold Reserves to Save the Economy?
Hebben ze die dan nog? ;-)
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Rato (IMF) heeft, binnen de recente 14 dagen, 2 diametraal tegengestelde uitspraken gedaan : ONDER + OVER-waardering van $ !!!!!!

Geen kat die hier op reageerde !!!

Je kunt U geen beter bewijs van $-PANIEK, inbeelden !!!

Het was dus geen lapsus/schrijffout van Rato...!!!

>>> Dat AA z'n goud-afdeling afstoot...is een héél ander verhaal : Helemaal in de lijn met het terugtrekken van de Rotshields uit de London goldfixing !!!
Zal later wel duidelijker worden...WAAROM.
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Simi, Gung Ho,

Welgemeend proficiat met je voorspellingen. Op een 27 jaars hoogste punt.....

Het wordt voor de langetermijnbelegger toch verdomd moeilijk kiezen: Die gepantserde Mercedes nog eens langs laten komen ; Koper = Cumerio bijkopen ; Inschrijven Nyrstar = zink; bijkopen ArcelorMittal = staal of bijkopen Umicore : de rest van al die zeldzame metalen waaronder strontium, platina.........

Kortom: Wie gaat het het best doen de komende jaren, want ik denk altijd in jaren......

Mijn inschatting is wel dat in principe al die commodities een soort garantie zijn tegen steeds waardeloos wordende dollar.

Dus dan toch maar wat verdelen en ook weer niet te veel versnipperen......

Peter
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Waar moet je de volgende jaren ook inzitten weinigen weten het momenteel maar je moet instappen voor de grote kudde het door heeft.
De zeldzame metalen.De rare-earth elements .Indien China en India kortom Azië de economie blijft bomen zal de vraag naar rare elements evenredig stijgen.

Genoteerd op Toronto V. zijn Marifil Mines en
Rare Element Resources.
En in Australië:Lynas Corporation.

www.marifilmines.com/s/Home.asp
www.rareelementresources.com/s/Home.asp
www.lynascorp.com/

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Treading the foothills of a gold bull market
By John Dizard Published: November 5 2007

With spot gold now hovering around the $800 an ounce price level, you would think the goldbugs would be joined by a frenzied public snorting up of gold shares and Krugerrands. Volatility should be jumping to record levels, and the long-neglected managers of gold unit trusts and mutual funds should be ushered past the velvet ropes and into the VIP rooms.

No.

If you enter "2007 gold bull market" (without the quotation marks) in the English Google search box, the algorithm will report more than 1.9m entries. That is not, however, the same thing as people buying metal or shares.

John Hathaway, the portfolio manager of the $1.128bn (£541m, €778m) Tocqueville Gold Fund in New York, had a total return of 38.2 per cent from October of 2006 to September of this year. Not bad, but, as he says, "It's all performance, not money flows." Over that time, new purchases of fund shares were $330m, while withdrawals were $280m, for a net inflow of $50m. If the public had really bought into this bull market story, then we would be looking at something better than annual net inflows of 5-6 per cent.

As a precious metals hedge fund manager points out: "Implied volatility for one month gold is around 20 per cent. Back in the real bull market of 1980, it was up to 50 and 60 per cent. Silver vol was over 100 per cent in 1980. You have this clinical signal that the bull market hasn't started yet."

The relatively subdued interest of the investing public, if not the investment newsletters and columnists, is actually good news for those long the metal. It means there are a lot of people left to buy the stuff, which is not the case at bull market peaks.

In recent weeks, as the gold price has approached the $800 level, the rate of increase in the price, the momentum of buying interest, has slowed, one sign that a correction in the uptrend could be at hand. Even so, the low volatility and low level of public interest both suggest that even with a short or intermediate correction, we are only in the foothills of the gold bull market.

For example, one of the main supports for the gold price in recent years has been the closing out of mining companies' hedge books. Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the mining companies effectively sold much of their future production using a range of derivatives contracts. This protected their earnings from price declines, at the expense of giving up the cash flow benefits of price increases. In this decade, under pressure from shareholders who wanted leveraged exposure to gold price increases, the mining companies bought back their hedges. In 2001, the gold miners had hedge books totalling some 3,400 tonnes; now they are down to a total of about 1,000 tonnes. This unwinding was a significant part of the total demand for gold in the past several years.

Interestingly, the quarterly reports just out for AngloGold Ashanti and Barrick showed that they were not big buyers of gold in the past quarter. So some other people were supplying the fuel for the summer and early fall rally. "The quality of demand, not just total demand, rose over the quarter just past," as a longtime gold sceptic told me when the third quarter hedge books were disclosed last Thursday.

All this has been going on as many of the "gold" mutual funds available to the public became "hard asset" funds. In recent years, the price of gold has not risen as much as, say, nickel, copper, or lead. To keep the money coming in, most portfolio managers re-positioned themselves as commodities or metals investors. They may want to consider another makeover. From mid-August, when the credit squeeze finally became a headline, to the end of October, the spot gold price was up over 19.3 per cent, while the CRB index, a commodities basket, increased by 12.6 per cent. This makes some macro sense, as the demand for commodities such as copper will be reduced by the US housing slump, not to mention substitution effects, while the hesitant Bernanke reflation is helping gold.

However, the reluctance of the big central banks as a group, not just the Fed, to recognise the hole they are in will stretch out the reflationary process. The Fed's statement after the 25 basis point cut last week was far more "balanced" than it probably should be. It is clear that the board will be reacting to weakness, rather than forestalling it. European central bankers are using even more hawkish language. Both the Americans and Europeans will have to see more real-time, real economy effects before they abandon their models and aggressively reflate. They will.

Gold is both a monetary instrument and a commodity, but the size of its above-ground supply makes the monetary element more significant. That means attempts to estimate its future price track by looking at annual mine supply or jewellery demand will be misleading.

As Mr Hathaway says: "Mervyn King's effective guarantee of the liabilities of the British banking system is much more significant than declining South African gold production."

So, even at about $800 an ounce, the real gold bull market has not begun.

johndizard@hotmail.com

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
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Gold eyes all-time high on currency crisis
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor Last Updated: 1:13am GMT 08/11/2007

Gold has surged to $846 an ounce on fears of a dollar collapse and signs of spreading credit crisis in the United States, coming within a whisker of the all-time high seen at the end of the 1970s inflation era.

Are fund managers backing the gold rally?
Dollar crunch puts gold centre stage
When will gold really go ballistic?
Warnings by a top Chinese official that the Beijing intends to switch part of its $1,430bn reserves from dollars to "stronger currencies" appears to have lit the fuse under an explosive mix of record oil prices, rising global inflation, and mounting concerns that the world financial system is coming unglued.

advertisement"We're seeing a loss of confidence in all paper currencies, but above all in the dollar," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas.

The apparent failure of the US Treasury's $75bn rescue plan for sub-prime mortgage securities and the risk of mass downgrades on US bond insurers has caused a rush for safe-haven investments, topped by precious metals and top sovereign bonds.

Gold last touched $850 an ounce at the London PM Fix in a wild spike on January 21 1980, just after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the seizure of US hostages in Iran. Inflation was then running in double digits in most western economies.

In today's terms, this would be equivalent to $2,000 an ounce, suggesting that the current six-year bull market in precious metals may have much further to run.

Hedge funds are already betting that the US Federal Reserve will be forced to slash rates over coming months to head off recession, launching a "reflation rally" that will flood the world with liquidity once again.

John Reade, a strategist at UBS, said gold now seemed to be caught in a frenzy of speculative momentum.

"Gold, oil, and the dollar are all feeding off each other. Gold truly has the bit between its teeth having gained $50 an ounce in a week. The pressure this is placing on the options market will likely see it reach $850 within a couple of days," he said.

Mr Reade said gold has tended to fall sharply whenever speculative long positions on New York's COMEX futures markets reach extreme levels, but it could be different this time.

"Everybody is waiting to see whether 'exotic options' set above $850 will trigger a fresh wave of buying," he said.

UBS warned that any number of factors could halt the rally, citing a move by OPEC to increase oil output, "verbal" intervention by officials to slow the dollar's slide, and major selling by central banks. None of these appear imminent.

Ross Norman, a former gold trader and now head TheBullionDesk.com, said the markets had slowly come to realize that the world faces a "peak gold" outlook as discoveries become ever rarer.

"There is a chronic under-supply of gold because it is so hard to dig the stuff out the ground. The world's biggest producer -- South Africa -- is down to 264 tonnes a year, the lowest since 1932," he said

"Compare that with inflows into the new exchange traded funds. ETF Securities alone has 730 tonnes ($1.97bn), and most that has been bought this year. A massive new channel has been opened up for pension funds to buy gold, and we believe that Russian and Chinese central banks have buying as well," he said.

"But there is an even deeper issue at work as people start to question the fundamental structure of the world economy. The mercury is running very high right now," he said.

Gold has now more than tripled since Gordon Brown ordered the Bank of England to start selling half of Britain's bullion reserves. The first auction in 1999 was at $254 an ounce, the absolute bottom of a 21-year bear market.

The total losses for the British taxpayer caused by these sales now amount to £3.3bn, even after adjusting for returns on alternative dollar, yen and euro bonds.

Mr Norman said the last $50 rise in the gold price has been fuelled by "hot money" that could prove fickle, but any correction will likely be short.

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The Dollar In Danger By Sebastian Mallaby
Monday, November 12, 2007
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For a quarter-century after World War II, money was based on a loose version of the gold standard. The U.S. dollar was pegged to gold; other currencies were pegged to the dollar; stable prices underpinned the prosperity and soaring trade of the 1950s and '60s. Then in 1971 Richard Nixon balked at the high interest rates necessary to maintain the dollar's link to gold. For the rest of the decade, inflation ripped. The cure, starting in 1979, involved two recessions in the United States and the Third World debt crisis.

Now we face another potential watershed in the world's system of money. Since the breaking of the gold link, the dollar has become the world's primary measure of value, so much so that bank deposits in Uruguay and bribes paid in Russia are mostly denominated in dollars. But the dollar, like the gold standard before it, is under pressure. Last week even Giselle Bundchen, the world's top supermodel, was reported to be steering clear of greenbacks.

Inflation was the cause of the gold standard's collapse as well as its main consequence. As long as the dollar was convertible, investors could choose between owning one dollar and owning one-35th of an ounce of gold; when inflation eroded the greenback's purchasing power, gold was the more attractive option. Foreigners traded in their dollars until U.S. gold stocks were close to exhaustion. Higher U.S. interest rates could have lured foreigners back into dollars. But Nixon wouldn't tolerate high rates the year before an election.

Today's problem is different. The Fed has kept a lid on inflation, but the dollar's vulnerability is caused by debt -- the debt of the federal government and of American households. Year after year, foreigners have provided Americans with the savings that they refuse to generate themselves, and this stream of money has supported the U.S. currency. But if foreigners tire of handing over their savings, the unsupported dollar is almost bound to fall. That is what has happened recently.

You can hardly blame the foreigners. They sent their money to the United States because they thought the U.S. financial system was transparent and sound; the subprime mortgage mess has forced them to think differently. They sent their money to the United States because the greenback was expected to hold its value, but its purchasing power has fallen sharply against oil, metals and other commodities. Once a currency ceases to act as a store of value, its days as a reserve currency -- that is, a currency in which foreigners are happy to hold savings for the long term -- may be numbered.

As in 1971, the Federal Reserve could do something. It could keep interest rates high enough to entice investors to hold dollars. But as in 1971, this is not an attractive option. The U.S. economy is reeling under the impact of an oil shock, a housing shock and financial turmoil. Forced to choose between upholding the dollar's role as an international store of value and avoiding domestic recession, the Fed is likely to prioritize recession-avoidance.

Nixon's Treasury secretary, John Connally, told furious Europeans that the dollar was "our currency, but your problem." The same could be said for today's dollar trouble, which is why French President Nicolas Sarkozy said plaintively last week that "the dollar cannot remain someone else's problem." For the United States, a falling dollar means pricier imports but also an export boom that could carry the U.S. economy through its housing bust. Yet for France and other countries that use the euro, a weak dollar means a loss of competitiveness -- not only against U.S. producers but also against dollar-pegging Asian exporters.

The falling dollar is a headache for the dollar-peggers, too. Their problem is the mirror image of the European one: Countries such as China and the Arab Gulf states are already experiencing an export boom that is overheating their economies. As a falling dollar drags down their currencies, this overheating gets worse. Meanwhile, they have accumulated vast piles of dollar assets that are now losing value. Saving on America's behalf turns out to be expensive.

So the world faces a dilemma. The last thing it wants is more dollar weakness, which is why central bankers in East Asia and the petro-states, which control most of the world's official reserves, are not about to dump U.S. bonds and trigger a collapse in the greenback. But the world may also draw the lesson that an alternative global currency needs to be the long-term goal. Households don't like saving in a currency that won't hold its value. Companies don't like building global supply chains based on a unit of account that fluctuates unstably.

Most economists assume that the dollar will continue to act as the global currency because there is no alternative. But one of my colleagues at the Council on Foreign Relations, Benn Steil, has proposed another option -- a privately created currency that would confer an inflation-proof claim on gold or a basket of commodities. Steil calls his idea "digital gold," which has a nice back-to-the-future ring. The more the dollar slides, the less Steil's suggestion sounds like a fantasy from a movie studio.

smallaby@cfr.org

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Investing
European Central Banks Blew It With Gold
By Brett Arends
Mutual Funds Columnist
11/12/2007 11:44 AM EST
URL: www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/invest...

Wow. What a gold boom!

The yellow metal has turned out to be one of the best investments of the 21st century, rising from around $260 an ounce barely half a dozen years ago to $831.50 around midday Friday. Most of those gains have come in just the last two years.

Gold has taken a tumble this morning, falling nearly 3% from Friday's Comex close of $834.70. But it's still been quite a ride.

If you're kicking yourself for missing out, here's a crumb of comfort: Some really smart people fared even worse.

After all, you probably weren't actually dumping gold bullion by the truckload right at the bottom of the market.

For that bone-headed move, you have to look to the brightest, best-connected and most financially savvy minds over in Europe --namely, their central bankers and finance ministers.

Oddly enough, it's the central banks with the best reputations that made the worst moves.

Like the Swiss.

They've got into trouble before over gold -- like the bullion that made its way into their safety deposit boxes back in the early 1940s.

But like them or not, the Swiss have a hard-earned reputation for financial prudence and an ability to take the long view. So their central bank looked smart coming into the new millennium with one of the world's biggest holdings of gold bullion in its reserves. Switzerland had nearly 2,600 tonnes of bullion. Only France, Germany and the U.S. had more.

If only they'd kept it that way. Instead, as part of a program to diversify their portfolio, the Swiss dumped half of their bullion.

The timing could hardly have been worse. The Swiss sold 1,300 tonnes of gold between 2000 and 2005. In other words, just before the current boom really took off.

According to data compiled by the World Gold Council, the Swiss sales peaked in 2002, 2003 and 2004, when they sold around 280 tonnes each year.

Based on the average market prices in those years, the Swiss probably raised about $14 billion from the sales.

The value of that bullion, as of Friday? Try $34 billion -- or $20 billion more.

Those missed profits work out at about $2,700 for every man, woman and child in Switzerland.

The Swiss weren't alone. The Bank of England chose 1999-2001 to halve its total gold holdings. It sold 395 tonnes at an average price of around $275.

Oops. Two hundred years ago, the British might have hanged the man responsible for a blunder of this scale. At the very least they would have shipped him off to Australia in leg irons. He ended up costing Her Majesty's Treasury $6.9 billion in lost profits (based on Friday's price).

Today? They make him prime minister. Most Americans know little about Gordon Brown, the dour Scot who recently took over as PM from Tony Blair. But for 10 years, until this spring, he served as Blair's Chancellor of the Exchequer, Britain's chief finance minister. And among his landmark moves was this decision to auction off the nation's gold.

The matter has recently turned into a minor scandal in Britain, following revelations that Brown overruled professional advice at the Bank of England to carry out the sales.

The other central banks on the wrong side of the gold trade include the Dutch and the Spaniards, who who brought it all to Europe in the first place.

Based on the average prices in the years they sold and the price today, the Dutch missed out on an estimated $4.8 billion in profits and the Spanish central bank $1.1 billion, based on Friday's prices.

The U.S., by contrast, kept hold of its 8,137 tonnes, which has seen its value rise over the last seven years by $144 billion , as of Friday.

The numbers are estimates. And central banks may have clawed back a small percentage of their losses by diversifying into other currencies (just so long as they weren't U.S. dollars).

And the Swiss, the Brits and others are of course showing profits on the gold they kept.

Still, markets tend to assume that finance ministers, central bankers and their staffs are wiser and better-informed than everybody else. It doesn't always seem to work out that way.

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In keeping with TSC's editorial policy, Brett Arends doesn't own or short individual stocks. He also doesn't invest in hedge funds or other private investment partnerships. Arends takes a critical look inside mutual funds and the personal finance industry in a twice-weekly column that ranges from investment advice for the general reader to the industry's latest scoop. Prior to joining TheStreet.com in 2006, he worked for more than two years at the Boston Herald, where he revived the paper's well-known 'On State Street' finance column and was part of a team that won two SABEW awards in 2005. He had previously written for the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail newspapers in London, the magazine Private Eye, and for Global Agenda, the official magazine of the World Economic Summit in Davos, Switzerland. Arends has also written a book on sports 'futures' betting.
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Ritual dating from 1919 sets price of gold
Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:25pm EST
By Atul Prakash

LONDON (Reuters) - When gold reached dizzying heights above $800 a troy ounce in recent weeks, it cast a spotlight on a ritual that has taken place in London for the past 88 years.

Twice a day, representatives of five banks pick up the phone to trade physical gold and arrive at the London "fixing" price, which then becomes a benchmark for gold around the world.

As the clock in the vast Barclays Capital trading room in London ticks towards 3 p.m., attention turns to Marc Booker, the bank's head of spot gold trading.

Booker joins a conference call with the four other banks who take part in the fixing. The chairman, from Deutsche Bank, suggests an opening price and Booker relays it to his trading room and customers. Booker and the other participants say whether they are buyers or sellers at that price, and the chairman adjusts the price until the buyers and sellers are in balance.

It usually takes between five and 15 minutes to fix the price, longer when the market is volatile.

"The mechanism is efficient and it is a benchmark which has continued to function through all types of market stress," Martyn Whitehead, director of commodity sales at Barclays Capital, said as Booker traded.

The fixing price has gained greater significance as gold prices have jumped more than 30 percent in 3 months and doubled in 3 years, with a wider audience becoming interested in the price and the volume of spot gold trading has jumped..

It reflects the price of gold in the wider spot market and is used around the world by producers, investors and central banks as a benchmark for pricing a variety of transactions. Refiners use the fix to settle their contracts.

When fixing started on Sept 12, 1919, the first price was $20.67 a troy ounce. The highest fixing of the recent gold rally was on November 7, when it fixed at $841.75 an ounce in the morning session, less than $10 below its historic high of $850, fixed on January 21, 1980.

In addition to Barclays and Deutsche Bank, the other banks who take part in the fixing are HSBC Bank, Societe Generale and Bank of Nova Scotia's bullion division, Scotia Mocatta.

Until about three years ago, the gold fixings took place at the premises of N.M. Rothschild and Sons Ltd., with each bank sending a representative who would remain in contact with his dealing room by telephone. When Rothschild moved out of the commodities business, it was replaced at the fixing by Barclays.

In those days, each representative had a small British flag that they raised after receiving any change from their dealing room. As long as any flag was raised, the chairman could not declare the price as fixed. Now they say "flag up" or "flag down" depending on whether they agree to the fixing price.

London developed as a gold centre in the second half of the 19th Century, when it became the point through which gold from the mines of California, South Africa and Australia was refined and sold.

Its history as a hub for trading in gold bullion goes back even further, to the formation of the oldest original member of the market, Mocatta and Goldsmid, in 1684.

These days, investment funds are taking keen interest in physical gold, with about $13 billion in trades passing through London's clearing system each day. To avoid cost and security risks, bullion is not usually physically moved and deals are cleared through paper transfers.

On November 7, the same day the gold fixing price reached its recent high, spot gold hit a 28-year high of $845.40, less than $5 away from its record high of $850, spurred by a lifetime low dollar and historic high oil.

During the recent rally, jewelers and other gold users stayed on the sideline, watching the bull run, while individuals around the world sold old ornaments and gold bars to take advantage of high prices.

Small investors were looking at coins and bars, not wishing to miss the bus.

The wider media coverage of high prices also attracted investments into exchange traded funds (ETFs), which allow people to buy the metal on a stock exchange without taking physical delivery of the metal.

Gold held in U.S.-listed StreetTRACKS Gold Shares, the world's largest gold-backed ETF, rose to a record high of 599.50 tonnes in early November.

"We continue to see a huge amount of retail inflows. They are not generally the first to the party and they are generally not the first to leave either," said Stuart Thomas, managing director of World Gold Services, sponsor of StreetTRACKS.

(Editing by Eddie Evans)
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www.faz.net/s/RubB68124FE2ED744D88E5F...

Aardig artikel over huidige goudsituatie volgens Duitse analist.

In ieder geval zijn vier zaken nog het vermelden waard:

Het grafiekje met de verdeling aanmaak - verbruik.
Geeft mooi beeld wat er kan gebeuren als China en Indië meer gaan kopen.

2/ de foto van de goudplakjes van 1 kilo. Ik heb al vaker gemerkt in de KK dat men geen benul heeft hoe een plakje van 1 kilo goud er nu in werkelijkheid uitziet. Op de foto dus 7 plakjes van 1 kilo te ontwaren...

3/ De kostprijs voor het winnen van een OUNCE goud gaat wel degelijk omhoog.
Voor mij is die goudprijs ontwikkeling in zoverre van alle hype ontbloot als je de goudprijs definieert als zijn de prijs om het goud te winnen en te verwerken tot een ounce of goudplakje PLUS een zekere redelijke winstmarge.

Waren die kosten twee jaar geleden nog 300 tot 350 dollar per ounce. Ze zijn nu gestegen naar 600 dollar.

4/ Ik wist niet dat er bij de ontginning zoveel milieuverontreiniging veroorzaakt wordt door de cyanide......

Peter

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GOLD'S BULL MARKET Fellow Investor,

The economist John Maynard Keynes famously dismissed gold as "that barbarous relic." Yet even in the 21st century, gold has maintained its unique status as both a commodity and as a store of monetary value. Investors turn to gold when the stock and bond markets are wracked with uncertainty. Everything that is bearish for stocks -- political instability, inflationary fears and a falling dollar -- tends to be bullish for the yellow metal. No wonder gold breached the $800 an ounce level for the first time since 1980 last month. That said, the current bull market for gold actually stretches back to the post 9/11 era. The Amex Gold Bugs Index -- a basket of gold producers' stocks -- has risen more than ten fold since 2001 and has doubled in the last three years alone. No wonder pundits are predicting gold will hit $1,000 an ounce by early 2008.

Gold's Bull Market: The Era of "Peak Gold"

You may have heard of the idea of "peak oil" -- the point at which the world will produce as much petroleum as it's ever going to. The same may be the case with gold. The world's gold miners simply cannot find enough ore to replace the globe's fast-depleting reserves. South Africa's output is down to its lowest level since 1932. And like oil, much of the world's gold reserves are locked up in countries not on your list of places to take your next vacation. As Gregory Wilkins, chief executive of Barrick Gold, noted at a gold conference in London last week: "There's not much gold out there... Global mine supply is going to decrease at a much faster rate than people generally believe. Many of the new mines that people are anticipating will never come into production."

At the same time production is peaking, demand for gold is exploding. According to the World Gold Council, demand for gold rose 19% in the third quarter to hit a record $20.7 billion. Demand for gold by exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and similar financial products jumped a whopping seven fold from 19 tons to 138 tons as investors turned to gold as a safe haven. More than half of the new positions this year in gold ETFs were bought in the past two months.

Then there is the new demand from the world's emerging economies. India already accounts for 22% of the world's gold demand. In China, demand jumped by 25% compared to the same period last year. Rising political tensions were a factor behind record demand of 86.3 tons in Turkey, while Saudi Arabia's economic boom also saw demand rise by 19% in the third quarter. Pundits expect more demand for gold coming from Asian central banks, as they swap depreciating U.S. Treasuries for gold reserves. Today, one out of five billion ounces of already-mined gold is stashed in central bank vaults. Yet China holds only 1.1% of its reserves in gold, Japan, 1.8%, and India, 3.8%. This is in contrast to 76% by the United States and 63% by Germany. All of this demand is behind the Barclays Capital forecast of a deficit of 234 tons by year-end from a surplus of 197 tons last year.

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Gold's Bull Market: How High Can Gold Go?

But gold's special status as a store of value means that estimating gold's future price by looking purely at annual supplies or demand for jewelry or other industrial uses will always be flawed. Since mid-August, when the credit squeeze first hit, to the end of October, the spot gold price shot up from around $658 to a peak of $837 before correcting back to $800. Why the sudden jump? Until recently, one of the main supports for the gold price has been mining companies unwinding their hedges on the gold price to protect their earnings from declines in the price of gold. But with this process largely complete, today's buyers of gold are more likely to be individuals and institutions seeking a store of value.

Gold bulls also believe that the Fed reducing rates in an inflationary environment, combined with continued weakness in the U.S. dollar, all bode well for gold. Recent research by RBC Capital Markets sees parallels between today and the last time the world started dumping the dollar en masse -- back in the 1960s when the United States tried to both fight the Vietnam War and fund the Great Society, without paying for either. That's when first France and then Germany and Britain began to swap their dollar reserves for gold. Something similar may be happening today in the emerging world.

Although most analysts are predicting a pullback from gold's current levels, market guru Marc Faber is predicting a gold price of $1,000 an ounce within the next few months. That's good news for investors in gold mining stocks. Recent research by RBC suggests that at $1,000 an ounce, the share prices of the world's major gold mines could jump by between 65% and 100%. Gold bugs feel that we are in the very early phases of a prolonged bull market. They point out that gold would have to trade at close to $2,500 an ounce to equal the 1980 record in inflation-adjusted terms.

Gold's Bull Market: The "Foothills of the Gold Bull Market?"

With gold hitting 27-year highs, you'd think gold would be getting a bit more press. Yet despite gold's run up, it has not crept onto the covers of national business magazines. In the grand scheme of things, flows into gold funds are still at a trickle. Volatility, a good proxy for levels of investor interest, stands at around 20%. Back in the real bull market of 1980, it was up to 50% and 60%. This is good news for investors. As the Financial Times noted recently, "the low volatility and low level of public interest suggest that even with a short or intermediate correction, we are only in the foothills of the gold bull market."

Sincerely,

Nicholas A. Vardy
Editor, The Global Guru
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EURO = politieke MUNT zonder historische ballen!
Will Europe impose exchange controls to head off disaster? By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard The Telegraph, LondonFriday, November 23, 2007
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The die is now cast. As the euro brushes $1.50 against the dollar, it is already too late to stop the eurozone from hurtling into a full-fledged economic and political crisis. We now have to start asking whether the European Union itself will survive in its current form.

It takes 18 months or so for the full effects of currency changes to feed through, so the damage will snowball late next year and beyond into 2009 -- although "damage" is a relative term.

As Airbus chief Thomas Enders warned in a speech to the Hamburg workers last night, Europe's champion plane-maker -- the symbol of European unification, in the words or ex-French president Jacques Chirac -- is now facing a "life-threatening" crisis.

Mr Enders said the company's business model is "no longer viable" and "massive losses" are on the horizon. So much for all those currency hedges that analysts like to cite. Have they ever tried to buy a currency hedge? They would discover how expensive these instruments are. Hedges cannot protect a company with $220 billion in delivery contracts priced in dollars when the euro/sterling cost-base is leaping into the stratosphere.

The sudden rocketing in sovereign bond spreads this week between core German Bunds and Club Med debt -- Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, as well as Irish, Belgian, and Slovenian -- is a clear sign that markets are starting to price in a breakup risk for the single currency, however remote. Italian spreads have risen beyond the danger point of 40 basis points. This is less than the 100 basis points or so seen in Quebec (viz Ontario debt) when it looked as if the separatists might prevail. But it is dangerous nevertheless.

Moreover, these bond spreads are telling us that liquidity is drying up and that monetary policy is now too tight for the eurozone, as it is across much of the developed world. Two-year bond yields are collapsing in the US, Britain, and the Anglo-Saxon states, a signal that markets are now discounting possible recession. The whole central banking fraternity seems behind the curve, spooked by residual (lagging) inflation -- and prisoners of a defective economic model (Neoclassical/New Keynesian synthesis). This is how the 1930 recession metastasized, although one doubts that Ben Bernanke will allow Part II to unfold this time. He has spent half his life studying the blunders of the Fed in 1930-1932.

One thing is sure: French President Nicolas Sarkozy will not let Airbus go bankrupt, nor see decimation of the French industrial core, without an almighty fight against those countries deemed to be engaging in a beggar-thy-neighbour strategy of currency devaluation -- benign neglect in Washington, less benign in Beijing.

He will have allies soon enough, once the housing bubbles collapse in Spain and across the Med. Mr Zapatero will not be in power for long in Madrid. Mr Prodi is on borrowed time in Rome. A new political order will soon take hold in much of Europe, bringing in a new wave of prickly national populists.

So how will they fight? Will Mr Sarkozy and his allies resort to 1970s-style exchange controls to stem the rise of the euro?

They certainly have the power to do so. Four years ago a little-known cellule at the European Commission wrote a report -- on prompting from Paris -- exploring the legal basis for measures to stabilize the currency.

After combing through the EU treaties and court judgments, it concluded that Brussels may impose "quantitative restrictions" on capital inflows.

"Should extremely disturbing capital movements endanger the operation of economic and monetary union, Article 59 EC provides for the possibility to adopt restrictive measures for a period not exceeding six months," it says.

It would be renewable each six months, so the policy would in fact become permanent.

Any decision would be taken by EU finance ministers under qualified majority voting. Britain would have no veto, even though the effects of such a move on the City of London would be catastrophic -- and trigger the certain withdrawal of Britain from the EU. (And good riddance, some might say in Paris.)

This "disturbing" capital movement is occurring right now. Portfolio inflows into the eurozone reached a record E46.2 billion in September. China, Asian wealth funds, Petrodollar sheikdoms, and now even Nigeria have all joined a stampede into euros, utterly disregarding the underlying reality that Europe is in no better shape the United States itself. It is in worse shape, though this is disguised by the cycle. It is much worse in terms of economic dynamism and demographics.

Confidence has cratered in Germany, and the Netherlands, not to mention Belgium -- which has not had a government for 165 days and is now sliding toward disintegration. Since Belgium is a metaphor for the EU -- an arranged marriage of squabbling tribes, speaking different languages, who do not love each other and never did -- this in itself amounts to a tremor for the EU system.

EU industrial orders fell 1.6 percent in September. Spanish, French, South Italian, and Irish house prices are already all falling.

Spreads on the iTraxx financial index of 25 European bank and insurance bonds have jumped to a fresh record, worse than during the depths of the August crunch. The iTraxx Crossover of low-grade corporates is back to crisis levels above 400.

The European Covered Bond Council suspended trading in covered bonds this week because the spike in spreads had become disorderly, and three-month Euribor rates have gone through the roof again, and that is the rate that sets Spanish and Irish mortgages. Bond issuance in Europe is frozen.
France is in the grip of a national strike costing E2 billion a day. The railways are paralyzed. The country's 5.2 million public workers are staging walk-outs.

Is this a currency bloc that should be now be deemed the ultimate safe haven, the repository of trust in a dangerous economic world? This hodge-podge of disputatious clans, lacking a central Treasury, government, debt union, and guiding philosophy -- let alone the sacred solidarity of a nation?

Returning to the commission cellule, it said that: "Among the actions that can be undertaken when a member state experiences serious balance of payments difficulties, Articles 119 and 120 EC provide for the possibility to reintroduce 'quantitative protective measures' against third countries."

The measures are of course exchange controls. This is the nuclear option, but Europe's politicians could equally invoke Article 104 of the Maastricht Treaty giving politicians the power to set fixed exchange rates (by unanimous vote) or a dirty float for the euro (by majority). The document is annexed to the Commission's 2003 EU Economic Review. Nobody paid any attention at the time, just as the Commission had hoped -- at least that is what one of the authors told me. This is the EU's Monnet Method, one silent fait accompli after another.

President Sarkozy certainly seems inclined to go this route. He has again invoked his ideas for "Community Preference" -- that is, a closed trade bloc -- in a speech this month to the European Parliament. Contrary to claims, h
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Another Fed Rate Cut Could Mean $900 Gold by Christmas By Stephen Clayson 02 Dec 2007

LONDON (ResourceInvestor.com) -- The gold price may be struggling to hold above $800 an ounce now but come December 11 it may be a very different story. Why? Because comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke last week indicated rather strongly that another rate cut is in the offing for the U.S., and we’ll know for sure when the Federal Open Market Committee announces its next rate decision on December 11.

Bernanke said on Thursday that turbulence in financial markets over the past month or so has “partially reversed the improvement that occurred in September and October”. He also noted that recent U.S. economic data has been “on the soft side” – quite strong words for a central banker. One suspects that another quarter point cut is now almost a done deal, particularly given the weak economic data that we saw during November.

Could another half point cut be on the cards? You never know. After all, it would be of quite some benefit to the legions of U.S. consumers who are at this very moment loading themselves up on credit card debt in the hope of buying themselves a happy Christmas.

Furthermore, data released by the National Association of Realtors late last month showed that during October, sales of existing homes dropped 20.7 per cent versus one year earlier, while the median home price was down 5.1 per cent versus a year ago. The strength of the housing market is fairly crucial to the confidence of consumers and the health of the economy in general, so numbers like that make for worrying reading.

The other worry is oil. Although oil prices have come down quite significantly from their November peak of almost $100 a barrel, they are still pretty high, even adjusting for the weakness of the dollar, which pushes the nominal oil price higher without altering the real price. The prospect of $100 oil does though have an unhelpful psychological effect.

The oil price gives the Fed an inflationary headache, but it also puts a strain on the economy of the world’s biggest oil consumer. And of late, the Fed has given the impression that it prefers to look out for economic growth than to stamp on inflation as soon as it rears its head. In any case, the Fed does not feel that inflation in the U.S. has yet shown signs of accelerating alarmingly, although the trick to controlling it could well be to act before it does so.

With inflation in the eurozone, thanks in part to the greater power of workers there to secure wage increases, running quite high and the European Central Bank making quite hawkish noises, rates there are less likely to fall, meaning that the euro, the dollar’s obvious substitute, is likely to remain strong.

This will accentuate the impact of any further U.S. rate cuts. Although there has, and will continue to be, a flight into the euro as U.S. rates fall, there is also room for gold in the equation. Those who cut their teeth viewing the dollar as the anchor of the world financial system and still see the euro as an upstart currency that has yet to prove itself, and there seem to be more of them around than one might think, have only one place to go – into gold.

Gold’s recent ascent above $800 an ounce was triggered by a quarter point cut in U.S. rates at the end of October that followed on from a half point cut in September, and another cut, even of just a quarter point, will probably be all the yellow metal needs to entrench itself above $800 and maybe even break $900 in time for Christmas.
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Nuclear Bond Implosion Ahead

The US Fed's measure for long term inflationary expectations may keep it from dropping rates much further, potentially setting off a 'nuclear' bond-price implosion.
An only hours-old Bloomberg article details why "Chopper-Bernie" may have to ground his inflation-helicopter much earlier than anyone expects.

In essence, an inflation indicator used by the Fed, and literally signed off on by Alan Greenspan, indicates that bond investors' long-term inflationary expectations are on the rise - and significantly so.

Bond investors have recently been lulled into a false sense of security by the alleged 'fact' that inflation remained so low.

That sense of security is now flying out the window.

It's no secret that we at the Small Business Goldmine believe the Fed has been buying longer-term treasuries and thereby has manipulated what the public uses as its gauge of inflationary expectations. Whether that is so or not, if investors - especially those of the institutional kind - are now smelling inflation in the air, the Fed's buying efforts could be drowned out in a second and a half. The bond market is just that big.

Now, we all know that rising inflationary expectations limit the Fed in how low it can go with its funds rate, so one or the other thing will have to give.

What will have to give is either the Fed's laughable pretense of being an "inflation fighter" (right - like a fuel-tanker truck claiming to be a fire truck!) or it will lose its ability and willingness to lower the funds and discount rates.

Our guess is that we will see the Fed's inflation-fighter image go "poof" within the next few months, and that means we will all get our interest rate crack that we depend on so much - but at a far higher cost than anticipated.

The cost will be very palpable. It will come in the form of literally everything. Inflation, inflation, inflation - and that will mean bond traders and investors will sell, sell, sell.

Ironically, that will have the effect of raising long-term interest rates because bond prices move inversely to bond yields, and yields in turn determine long term rates like those on - mortgages.

Ouch!!

It's ironic because it means that, the lower the Fed will drop its short term rates, the higher the longer term rates will go - and that will stop longer term lending in its tracks.

Note that when we say "longer term", we are talking two-year time frames or shorter here.

Nuclear fissions or fusions usually cause explosions rather than implosions, but what is coming will turn that erstwhile principle of physics on its head.

What is coming is a wholesale exit from US treasury bonds, the likes of which the world has not seen. Might as well call it 'nuclear.'

Since the whole financial world rides on debt, the level of which is inexorably connected to interest rates, any dramatic rise in rates will cause debt - and therefore money - to implode right alongside it.

There is only one financial asset that will stand clear from the mayhem and destruction this will engender.

Got gold?

Alex Wallenwein
Editor, Publisher
The EURO VS DOLLAR MONITOR
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