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SRLev 9%: Iemand rente ontvangen?

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hi Hoover, "HE" told (according to RTL) :-"Dat zit in de laatste fase en ik hoop het binnenkort af te ronden."

This means that an agreement among parties would be possibile
Hoover
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Yes indeed, so hope to hear soon.
If you think about it, he can't say anything else ... untill the deal collapses.
Lk-33
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Hoover schreef op 11 februari 2015 15:20:

Yes indeed, so hope to hear soon.
If you think about it, he can't say anything else ... untill the deal collapses.
That is no option, because the problem of SRLEV will persist with the Dutch state as owner.
Hoover
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Well, he can't say anything else at the moment. Even if the negotiations are not going well he can't tell you that because its private side information. The only thing he can say is that it's going according shedule ... untill it's not (or untill the deal materialises, which we all hope but is not garanteed).
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Meanwhile they decide, on euronext, Vivat/Srlev bonds are at distressed prices and too high yield for a state owned insurance company.
Hoover
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137.90 offered. Almost 30 points accrued, makes it a 107.90 bond with a 9% coupon untill call 2021 makes 8.9% yield to call.
Versus Delta Lloyd at 132.60 makes it 3.9% to the call in 2022.
So that gives you 500bps extra to take the SR LEV risk.
Value? I Have already quite a position app 12.5% so keep it as it is.. maybe buy a couple ..
BTW: DL equity gives 5.8% div yield...
Stapelaar
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Hoover schreef op 12 februari 2015 18:26:

137.90 offered. Almost 30 points accrued, makes it a 107.90 bond with a 9% coupon untill call 2021 makes 8.9% yield to call.
Typo maybe? My arithmetic says 6.9%
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6y IRS are 0,38%-0,40%...SRLEV credit risk is about +650bps ...It seems to me too high as the company is owned by the state, as the solvency ratio will be above 150% and the goodwill and intangibles are only 2,4% of shareholders equity.
Vivat has a conservative investment policy and insurance activities equity should be on year end 2014 at about 2 billions. While profitability will be low. Long term ratings, even if under pressure months ago, are still in the investment grade area.
Current price include only the delay from 15.1 and the absence of updated news.
If in november it was at 139 now it should have been higher (consider +2,50 in accrued interest ).
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86 partijen melden zich voor #vivat #reaal. Met #anbang kwam t zaterdag al rond. De Chinezen lossen ook leningen af!!
sremmal1
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Uit het persbericht: Door de transactie is het couponverbod opgeheven dat de Europese Commissie had opgelegd op de bij derden geplaatste uitstaande achtergestelde obligaties uitgegeven door SRLEV. Echter, totdat een transactie is afgerond, maakt SRLEV gebruik van haar optionele recht tot uitstel van rentebetaling op deze achtergestelde obligaties.
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Hi Lk33 :-))

136% solvency for Vivat and 141 for Srlev.... @31.12.2014....
Chinese Anbang Welcome....!!
Hoover
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Door de transactie is het couponverbod opgeheven dat de Europese Commissie had opgelegd op de bij derden geplaatste uitstaande achtergestelde obligaties uitgegeven door SRLEV. Echter, totdat een transactie is afgerond, maakt SRLEV gebruik van haar optionele recht tot uitstel van rentebetaling op deze achtergestelde obligaties.
Hoover
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Solvabiliteit is nu 136% en wordt naar 150 gebracht door Anbang. Nog steeds geen sterke club maar wel ok nieuws.
Hoover
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Nog iets te vroeg om te juichen... We krijgen geen coupon en deal kan nog afketsen. Wellicht waren de bonds best redelijk geprijst. 30 juni deadline
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