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jrxs4all schreef:

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Paniekdagje ?
1 x MINI GOLD NYSE LIFFE DEC 2008 long @ 864,80
JR
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Stop @ 895
Ik vertrouw het niet meer helemaal,
JR
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Stop verhoogd naar 905 en daar is ie net op weggegaan. Zit weer zonder goud, op naar de volgende paniek,
JR
Mooie daytrade...

Op 925 zit nogal wat weerstand en een duik onder de 900 is zo gemaakt.
Als goud onder de 900 gaat, verwacht ik niet dat de 870 gebroken gaat worden.
Ben niet zo'n handige daytrader, dus blijf nog even long....
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Je weet het bij die OTC derivaten uiteindelijk maar nooit, misschien is ook het landenkredietrisico doorverpakt

Welke financiële bedrijven c.q. instanties zouden off balance een 'credit default swap Iceland (cdsI series)' hebben ?

:-) mineset
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jrxs4all schreef:

Stop @ 895

Ik vertrouw het niet meer helemaal,

JR
Mooie timing!
Chapeau.
gr.fes
jrxs4all
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mineset schreef:

[quote=jrxs4all]
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Paniekdagje ?
1 x MINI GOLD NYSE LIFFE DEC 2008 long @ 864,80
JR
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Stop @ 895
Ik vertrouw het niet meer helemaal,
JR
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Stop verhoogd naar 905 en daar is ie net op weggegaan. Zit weer zonder goud, op naar de volgende paniek,
JR
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Mooie daytrade...

Op 925 zit nogal wat weerstand en een duik onder de 900 is zo gemaakt.
Als goud onder de 900 gaat, verwacht ik niet dat de 870 gebroken gaat worden.
Ben niet zo'n handige daytrader, dus blijf nog even long....
Ik ben ook geen echte daytrader en ik doe dit niet vaak, alleen als er een echte grote kans ligt. En die was er in de afgelopen paniektijd nu 3 keer snel achter elkaar, telkens enkele tientallen punten kunnen pakken.

Wat ik probeer is om in een spike up te kopen, handmatig of met een buy stop. Direct een korte stop loss plaatsen en als de stijging doorzet die telkens verhogen.

Ik begrijp trouwens echt niet waarom iemand in goud turbo's handelt. Een mini future is 33,2 ounce ofwel 332 turbo's. Margin is nu 2600 dollar.

De financieringsrente op de future is stukken lager (minder dan de helft denk ik). De spread is heel klein, transactiekosten een paar dollar. En dan ook nog 24*5 uur handel en een betrouwbare stop loss.

Waarom die jongens van de bank met een onbetrouwbaar systeem en illiquide handel rijk maken ?

JR
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Ondanks de renteverlagingen gisteren:

3mnd libor 4,75%
www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=U...
3mnd euribor 5,39%
www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=E...
last but not least Tedspread 4.14
www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=....

Dus, wantrouwen onder banken is geen spat veranderd, creditcrunch effecten cumuleren.
Dat moet op de één of andere manier goed zijn voor een emotionele switch naar goud en dus wellicht voor een break van de harde goud-weerstand op 925...

we'll see

gr.mineset

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The central bankers announced a "global coordinated rate cut" and themarket opened down 200 points. Global stock markets lost over $2 trillion invalue yesterday. The cumulative hit since last fall is many trillions. Thatmoney isn't coming back.
The important math is this: 800 minus 500 equals 900. How is that? Youmay well ask the question. A couple of weeks ago, when Bernanke was beinggrilled by Congress, he acknowledged that the Fed has $800 billion in treasurystock to work with. But the records show that the Fed has burned through morethan $500 billion in taking toxic waste off the balance sheets of banks. Thatshould leave less than $300 billion for the Fed to work with, but they justannounced the TAF is expanded to $900 billion. How can they do that?
The answer is simple but deadly. The Treasury Dept has taken over the Fedas of Sept. 17, issuing new treasury paper to expand Fed stock and permittingthe Fed to make unsecured loans. The Federal Reserve Bank is now technicallyinsolvent. I'm watching this closely, but news is hard to get. The MSM areclueless, and have yet to cover the story.
The mass of pundits are heralding deflation because they think in Keynesian terms, if they think at all. Assetprices and even commodity prices are declining, but that is a response to fearand a cash shortage. Currency is tight, but credit has been expandedexponentially. Terrible inflation is baked into the pie now, but may not appearfor months, or longer.

I don't know which is worse, the chills or the fever.
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Nationalization steamroller rumbles on, flattening everything in its path.

Just consider these headlines:
U.S. Considers Taking Ownership Stakes in Banks
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,434844,00.html

Fed loans AIG another $37.8 Billion
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,434749,00.html

I switched on my BS detector while reading the second one, and it burst into flame. The story is a complete fraud in almost every sense: "Under the new program, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will borrow up to $37.8 billion in investment-grade, fixed income securities from AIG in return for cash collateral. These securities were previously lent by AIG's insurance company subsidiaries to third parties."

Trust me, there is no borrowing going on here. Not by the Fed, and not by AIG, who is dead but still hooked up to the breathing machine.

What is going on here? Very simple. AIG is at the heart of the Mega Problem known as credit default swaps. The Fed is sliding $38 billion in counterparty risk off AIG's books, taking both AIG and third parties (read GS, JPM, MER, etc.) off the hook at the same time.

Now the United States taxpayer owns yet another stack of worthless defaulting paper. We knew the first $85 billion "loan" was just a down payment.

Note to Canada: Do not enter into any contracts with the U.S. or its dependent entities. The U.S.A. is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS, Stock Forum). USA, Inc. is insolvent and its shares, Federal Reserve Notes, face repeated massive dilutions of this kind for as far as the eye can see.

I was looking into this mess, pondering the imponderable, when all at once I had an epiphany! A light came down from Heaven and my eyes were opened. Suddenly I knew the Truth; I had seen All The Way Through to the other side. There is no going back for me. I am forever transported to a higher plane of understanding, and I just hate it. Ignorance was bliss.

Since I know that you're on pins and needles to hear what I saw in my vision, I'll cut right to the chase: Gresham's Law strikes again!

The Bad Money is driving the Good Money out of circulation. Now listen carefully, because your understanding of this next concept determines your financial salvation. Get it wrong, and you go to Fiscal Hell until someone on the outside decides you're worth buying out of Purgatory. Here it comes: Just as artificially low prices in paper futures drove real gold and silver into scarcity, artificially low prices for paper credit are driving real credit into severe scarcity.

That's it. Did you get it? You didn't? Think, think, THINK! Don't risk financial damnation!

Every time the Fed artificially suppresses interest rates by loaning fake money at rigged rates, they make real money harder to borrow.

Credit is credit, you say. Nope, think again. Just as no silver mint can afford to sell struck silver today for $11 an ounce, no one with real money can afford to lend it out for a 1.5% return. "Real money" in this usage means money that was generated through work. Make no mistake: Real Wealth can only be produced by someone doing Real Work. No exceptions, no free lunches.

Central bankers don't work when they produce the bogus money they call credit. They speak it into being, or print it. In other words, they counterfeit it. The Fed is out of money, so they backed up the truck at Treasury and loaded up with crisp T-bonds that reek of hot ink. Now the Fed credit blaster is recharged for the time being, and they are zapping right and left.

Hence, the price of counterfeit money (a.k.a. Fed credit) is dropping, but real money is getting scarce and the price is rising - if you can get any. Yes, I hear the dunces at the back of the class: "You're stupid. Mortgage rates are down since last week. Money is getting cheaper."

Haha, you fell for it. You thought the posted rates were real. Those advertised rates are not what you pay. Very, very few people can qualify for the posted rates these days. Banks are adding on points for risk. For example, Toronto Dominion Bank (TSX: T.TD, Stock Forum) used to write mortgages at about a 75bp discount to the prime rate. Today, they charge 100bp over prime instead. See how it works?

So now, scarce credit is being allocated and rationed, just like scarce gold. Government is routing credit to the banks to stop their collapse, and so there's precious little left over for consumers. Only the consumers with the best credit can borrow money today, and they're paying more for it after all the fees and risk adjustments.

As things now stand, the U.S. government and the U.K. government are both moving to take ownership of the banks. Why do they want to own the banks? Heh - they don't. They want to give money to the banks, and the only politically palatable way of doing it is to pretend they are buying the banks' shares. What do I mean by "pretending?" Well, think about it. When the Fed took an 80% stake in AIG, did they stomp, elephant-like, into the NYSE and take most of the shares off the market? Hahahahaha! That would have driven the common stock To Da Moon!! (Hint: the moon is nowhere near two dollars and change.)

The Fed does not want the worthless A shares. They took over AIG and issued themselves new, non-voting convertible preferred shares. They diluted themselves a 79.9% share of the biggest insurance corporation in the world! How's that for rapine and plunder? True, they own 4/5 of a bankrupt company, but they get to skim 11% interest no matter what happens to the carcass. But the Fed isn't in this for the 11%; that's a smiley-face mask on the Devil. They're in this to take control of AIG's CDS business before it bankrupts the global financial network. Good luck with that, Ben! Ben? Hey, where is Mr. Helicopter these days? He seems to be keeping a low profile. I wonder why? Maybe he doesn't like his new boss, Henry Paulson.

So, here's the AIG deal in a nutshell: The Fed issues $85 billion in counterfeit money and uses it to buy counterfeit shares in AIG. See how nicely it works out? Fake money for a fake stake in a ruined company. And no one is fooled except maybe the taxpayers.
Are you fooled, Mr. Taxpayer? Hey! Put that pitchfork down, you crazed gun-toting rustic! This is all being done for your benefit, and you'd damned well better appreciate it! Ouch! Stop! Ouch!

There's no gratitude these days. What a pity. I can only hope that some of you share my epiphany and take steps to insulate yourself from the flood of bogus money the central bankers are issuing in their desperation to reflate the Miracle of 2005. And if you think the present troubles are ended when the governments buy out the banks and insurance companies with great wads of counterfeit money, I have only two words to say to you: Hyper. Inflation.
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Bank hoarding pushes up gold borrowing costs
Jonathan Ratner, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, October 09, 2008

The cost of borrowing gold has surged to its highest level since May, 2001 as central banks appear to be hoarding the precious metal.

The one-month lease rate for gold has soared more than threefold, to 2.68 per cent, in just over a week and the parabolic move - symbolic of the expanding reach of the credit crunch - has experts labelling it another bullish sign for bullion. Prices continue to hover around $900 US an ounce after rising 22 per cent in the past year.

"This (the lease rate for gold) usually precedes a sharp move in the gold price," said Steven Isenberg, chief executive officer of Toronto-based M Partners.

www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/busi...

While lease rates may climb when people are shorting precious metals, this doesn't seem to be the case right now. "You'd be pretty foolhardy to be shorting the gold market with the amount of turbulence out there at the moment, even though gold is pretty high," Norman said.

A physical shortage demonstrated by the "ballistic" demand for coins in the past few months has probably driven rates higher, but the fact many people have gold in their accounts is probably an even bigger factor, he suggested. Investors are likely allocating their bullion, which means it is physically set aside in a vault with their name on it. If the bank holding it fails, it can still be collected because the gold cannot be lent out. Sounds like the ultimate safe haven.
Willempie3
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Ik moet de Amerikaanse regering toch gelijk geven: De economie zal niet in een recessie komen.
Ze schakelen onmiddelijk door naar een depressie.

W3.
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Iemand een idee waar ik nog kilobaren fysiek goud en zilver kan halen? HBU is ook al uitverkocht!

Graag een reactie!
jrxs4all
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mineset schreef:

Dus, wantrouwen onder banken is geen spat veranderd, creditcrunch effecten cumuleren.
Dat moet op de één of andere manier goed zijn voor een emotionele switch naar goud en dus wellicht voor een break van de harde goud-weerstand op 925...

we'll see

gr.mineset

Daar ging ie, voor de vierde keer in korte tijd:

Buy To Open YGZ8 Mini Gold NYSE Liffe DEC 2008 903.60

Stop @ 910

Toch valt de stijing me weer een beetje tegen. Voor een echte uitbraak omhoog heb je 2 factoren nodig: paniek en daardoor een vlucht in goud.

De paniek is er, daar is geen twijfel over. Het beleggersvolkje is totaal de weg kwijt. Maar men koopt geen goud maar dollars en staatsobligaties.

Jammer,

JR

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jrxs4all schreef:

Toch valt de stijing me weer een beetje tegen. Voor een echte uitbraak omhoog heb je 2 factoren nodig: paniek en daardoor een vlucht in goud.

De paniek is er, daar is geen twijfel over. Het beleggersvolkje is totaal de weg kwijt. Maar men koopt geen goud maar dollars en staatsobligaties.
jammer,
Het rare is dat je hier in NL niet eens meer in goud kunt vluchten. Tenminste in fysiek goud. Je kunt nog wel van die goud derivaten kopen maar heb je daar wel vertrouwen in als belegger in deze tijd van banken crisis? Ben bang van niet.

Ik vrees dat men het gewoon even cash thuis bewaard. De kluizen verkoop in Frankrijk is 30% gestegen!
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Wij zijn nu weer (even?) door de 925 heen!

Overigens raar dat als goud nergens meer te krijgen is dat de prijs niet sky high gaat. Het was toch vraag-aanbod dat de prijs bepaald?
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jrxs4all schreef:

Toch valt de stijing me weer een beetje tegen. Voor een echte uitbraak omhoog heb je 2 factoren nodig: paniek en daardoor een vlucht in goud.

De paniek is er, daar is geen twijfel over. Het beleggersvolkje is totaal de weg kwijt. Maar men koopt geen goud maar dollars en staatsobligaties.

Jammer,

JR

vergeet niet dat er ook nog partijen zijn die nu goud moeten verkopen om aan cash te geraken. lijkt me dat daarom goud momenteel niet nog harder stijgt dan je zou denken
smith&jones
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Er is geen fysiek goud meer te krijgen.

Eens moet Fort Knox met de billen bloot en toegeven dat het goud aldaar voor de helft is beleend. Dan kan al het goudpapier ook de prullebak in met de rest. Pure paniek en een wilde run naar de uitgang.

En dan...... gaan we nog wat meemaken.... goud 2000, 3000 you name it.

Helaas, als dit gebeurt gaat alles door het putje, maar het is niet anders...

S&J
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mineworker schreef:

Wij zijn nu weer (even?) door de 925 heen!

Overigens raar dat als goud nergens meer te krijgen is dat de prijs niet sky high gaat. Het was toch vraag-aanbod dat de prijs bepaald?
De prijs is al Skyhigh, min of meer. Probeer maar is fysiek goud dicht bij spot te krijgen, je zit er minimaal 100,- boven of meer!
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